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policy of separating of migrant children from their parents at the us—mexico border. his reversal on the issue followed an outcry on both sides of the political aisle and pressure from human rights groups. in hungary, there has been condemnation of new immigration laws that penalise organisations that help migrants. the helsinki committee rights group accused hungary of failing to provide protection. european leaders are will meet this weekend for an emergency meeting on the migrant crisis. british prime minister theresa may has seen off a threatened rebellion by conservative mps who had been demanding a bigger say over brexit. the commons voted by a majority of 16 against the idea that mps should have the power to stop the uk leaving the eu without an agreement. now on bbc news, wednesday in parliament. hello there.
coming up on wednesday in parliament: theresa may sees off another rebellion on a vital brexit bill after conservative mp accept a compromise. i am prepared to accept the government's difficulty and support it. the health secretary says he can't lessen the pain of families following the revelation that more than a50 patients died after being given powerful painkillers. i can at least on behalf of the government and the nhs apologise for what happened. and at prime minister's wuestions, jeremy corbyn wants to know where extra money for england's nhs is going to come from. mr speaker, her figures are so dodgy they belong on the side of a bus. we have consistently put extra money into the national health service. but first: theresa may has seen off another potential rebellion and squeaked through another vote on herflagship brexit bill.
the eu withdrawal bill puts eu law into uk law, to stop a legal black hole opening up after brexit. it's been working its way through parliament for the last few months — and the wrangling over the bill had come down to one key point. how much say would parliament have if no deal with the eu is reached? to cut a very long story short conservative rebels thought they had an acceptable deal compromise last week, but when they saw the fine print weren't happy, so got their colleagues in the lords to change the bill to reflect their views and ping it back to the commons. cue more frantic negotiations and another very tight vote: pregnant mps were summoned, and one mp who'd been receiving hospital treatment was wheeled through the commons, covered in a blanket and carrying a sick bowl.
at the end of it all, the government won the day. the ayes to the right, 303. the no's to the left, 319. so, the no's have it, the no's have it. unlock. at the start of the debate, the brexit secretary said he didn't want a "no deal" outcome. it is not an outcome we are seeking. as it stands i'm confident we will achieve a deal with this parliament can support, as it stands. but you cannot enter a negotiation without a right to walk away. if you do, it rapidly ceases to be a negotiation. so, the lords amendment undermines the strength of the united kingdom in negotiations. we have seen it first—hand, my team and i, whenever something happens in the commons or the lords that increases uncertainty, negotiations slowdown.
when they believe we might be forced to change our position to suit them they stall. this amendment is not about frustrating the process, it is about making sure there is a process. second, mr speaker, we have to confront this. the biggest threat to an orderly brexit, and the biggest threat of no deal is and always has been division at the heart of government. the conservative mp at the centre of the potential rebellion, had put forward his own amendment to the bill. but explained he now wasn't going to vote for it. this followed an assurance — from the brexit secretary david davis — recognising the authority of mps to hold the government to account and that mps could be given a meaningful vote if the speakerjohn bercow ruled in favour of one. having finally obtained — i have to say with a little bit more difficulty than i would have wished — the obvious acknowledgment of the sovereignty of this place and it's over the executive in black and white language, i am prepared
to accept the government's difficulty and support it. i am prepared to accept the government's difficulty, and in the circumstances to accept the form of amendment it wants. but he had this plea: we do face some real difficulties at the moment. it is rightly said those who the gods want to destroy they first render mad. and i have to say there's enough madness around at the moment to make one start to question whether collective sanity in this country has disappeared. and i have to say there's an atmosphere of bullying which has the directly opposite consequence that it puts people into a position where they feel that they are unable to compromise because by doing so they would be immediately described as having lost, as if these were arguments to be lost or won. the issue must be that we get it right. surely the whole point in a parliament that is
so that there is somebody with democratic credibility and democratic accountability to keep the government in check when it's clear to everyone that the government is going in the wrong direction. i will give way in a minute. and if plunging over a cliff edge is not the wrong direction, i don't know what is. it's in the interest of the country for the prime minister to have the freedom to go and negotiate the best deal for the country and parliament can't negotiate the detail of that day, only the prime minister can do that. but labour mps were not persuaded. i just say to members, contemplate this for a moment. if because the house cannot do anything about it and we fall off the edge of the cliff and future generations look at us and say, "what did you do at that moment?" "what did you do?" "did you say anything?" are we really as the house of commons going to allow our hands to be bound and say "well at least i took note of what was happening." mr speaker, our responsibility is not to take note,
it is to take charge, to take responsibility, to do ourjob. well, i will give way to the right honourable and learned gentleman. i can assure him that if he looks at the standing orders of this house, if this house wants to take charge at that point it will be able to do so, and i willjoin with him if necessary in doing just that. i absolutely bow to the right honourable and learned gentleman's expertise, but as my right honourable friend pointed out earlier in the debate i'm afraid sitting on these benches with this government we have seen too many occasions time and time and time again where the house has used the standing orders to debate the matter and pass a motion and the government sits there and says we are not taking any notice of you whatsoever.
i hold the right honourable and learned gentleman in very high regard for his integrity and his fluency. i do however say very gently that he is in danger of turning into a modern—day grand old duke of york, and there are only so many times you can march the troops up the hill and down again without losing completely integrity. and some conservatives were also still ready to defy their party leadership. we are often accused of wanting to tie the government's hands. nothing could be further from the truth. how can this amendment tie the hands of the government during negotiations when it concerns steps that should be taken when negotiations have broken down? but as we saw when it came to the vote, the government won by 16 votes — 6 conservatives and 4 labour mps defied their respective
party leaderships — and with that the bill returned to the house of lords, and we'll see what happened there, later in the programme. theresa may has said that events at the gosport war memorial hospital — where hundreds of elderly patients had their lives cut short — were "tragic and deeply troubling". an inquiry has found that the patients died because of what it says was an "institutionalised regime" of prescribing "dangerous doses" of powerful painkilling drugs when there was no medicaljustification. the health and social care secretary told the commons that the report into suspicious deaths at the hospital between 1989 and 2000 was "truly shocking." the panel found that over the period the lives of over a50 patients were shortened by clinically inappropriate use of opioids and other drugs, with an additional 200 lives also likely to have been shortened if missing medical records are taken into account. the first concerns were raised by brave nurse whistle—blowers in 1991, but then systematically ignored. families first raised concerns
in 1998 and they too were ignored. nothing i say today will lessen the anguish and pain of families who have campaigned for 20 years for justice after the loss of a loved one. but i can at least on behalf of the government and the nhs apologise for what happened, and what they have been through. had the establishment listened when junior nhs staff spoke out, had the establishment listened when ordinary families raised concerns instead of treating them as troublemakers, many of those deaths would not have happened. a large number of patients and their relatives understood that their admission to the hospital was for either rehabilitation or respite.
they were in effect put on a terminal care pathway. mr speaker, others will come to their own judgement, but for me, that is unforgivable. in the words of the report, when faced with serious allegations they handled them in a way that was to limit the impact on the organisation and its perceived reputation. the consequence of that failure was devastating. but to this day, of course, the nhs landscape quite understandably remains complex and is often fragmented. how confident is the secretary of state that similar failures, if god forbid they were to happen again somewhere, would be more easily rectified in the future? norman lamb was a health minister in the coalition government. he was responsible for setting up the inquiry: does he agree that we have to find a way of overcoming the problem of different inquiries
through inquests, through police, through regulators, which together stops the vital information getting out into the public domain and stopped proper investigation into those issues? and does he agree also that we need to have a mechanism to ensure that in future families are never ignored again — that when legitimate allegations of wrongdoing are made, that they are investigated properly and that families are involved in that process? first of all, i once again pay tribute to the role he took, because one of the most difficult things for any government minister is knowing when to accept advice, which is what you do most of the time, and when actually to overrule it, and his instincts have been proved absolutely right on that, but it is not an easy thing to do. it causes all sorts of feathers to be ruffled and he stuck to his guns and absolutely rightly so.
often in these circumstances, the nhs closes ranks. management removed the individual who raises the concern — the clinician in this instance — and allows the system to continue. is there some way of monitoring the types of concerns raised by clinicians and ensuring that the staff who raise these concerns are not penalised themselves, and that the system then takes accountability forward ? jeremy hunt told lisa cameron — a former nhs hospital consultant — that it was essential to get a culture in the health service where people could speak openly about patient safety. you're watching wednesday in parliament with me, alicia mccarthy. theresa may's announcement earlier this week that she's going to increase spending on england's nhs by £20 billion by 2023 came under scrutiny from the labour leader at prime minister's questions. jeremy corbyn wanted more detail about to where the money was coming from.
the prime minister said extra funding for the national health service will come from three sources. brexit, economic growth and the tax system. there can be no dividend before 2022, economic growth is the slowest since 2009, so which taxes are going up? theresa may said she'd set up a long term plan for the nhs. but she reckoned labour didn't have an agreed position. in relation to money we no longer send to the eu being spent on the nhs, the housing secretary called it bogus. the shadow health secretary said it is a deceit. but perhaps i can tell them what another labour member said a few weeks ago. he said we would use the funds returned from brussels after brexit to invest in our public services. it was him, the right honourable gentleman, the leader of the opposition. jeremy corbyn pressed the prime minister over her claims over how much extra money would be available to the nhs and who would pay more tax to fund it.
mr speaker, her numbers are so dodgy they belong on the side of a bus. we expect... we expect that from the foreign secretary, but why is the prime minister pushing her own mickey mouse numbers? the prime minister is writing ious just to stand still. until this government can be straight with people where the money is coming from, why should anyone, anyone from anywhere trust them on the nhs? for the 70 years of the nhs, 43 of those years has been under the stewardship of a conservative government. we have, despite taking difficult and necessary decisions on public spending in 2010, as a result of the deficit left
by the last labour government, we have consistently put extra money into the national health service. conservatives putting more money into the nhs, labour losing control of public finances and bankrupting britain. elsewhere in the session attention turned to the growing condemnation against the us policy of separating migrant families at its border. pictures of dozens of children sleeping in cages and audio of children crying for their parents have emerged in recent days. it comes after a "zero—tolerance" crackdown on illegal immigration was brought in. us immigration officials say more than 2,300 children were separated from their parents between 5 may and 9june. the snp‘s westminster leader was horrified. infants as young as 18 months are being caged like animals. babies of eight months
are being left isolated in rooms. and last night, the former head of us immigration and customs enforcement said he expects hundreds of these children never to be reunited with their parents. lost in the system, orphaned by the us government. is the prime minister still intending to roll out the red carpet for donald trump? the pictures of children being held in what appeared to be cages are deeply disturbing. this is wrong, this is not something we agree with and not the united kingdom approach. there will be a range of issues and our discussion with donald trump in our shared interests and i think it is important that we welcome and make sure when we see the president of the united states here in the united kingdom, we are able to have those discussions and that means when we disagree with what they are doing we say so.
it is good she said president trump's policy is wrong but i want her to do more. what is she going to do proactively to defend these values to make clear to the rest of the world and the european union that these values that are so inimical to our country cannot stand? theresa may said she did work with government across europe on migration and expected all countries to adhere to commitments on human rights. later donald trump said he would take action to "keep families together". the european parliament's chief brexit co—ordinator, guy verhofstadt, has told mps that the government's plan, for a temporary solution to prevent a hard border between northern ireland and the irish republic, is "not acceptable." the proposal would see continuing uk alignment with the eu customs union after brexit, that would cease in 2021 if no other agreement was found. do you think it is unacceptable for the united kingdom to say
the backstop will be the whole of the uk remains in the customs union as the backstop until end of the solution comes along, and i think the consequence of that would be the whole of the uk is going to observe the rules of the internal market. that is one way of solving it but do you feel that is an unacceptable backstop from the european parliament point of view and if so why? we prefer a solution that is really avoiding this border between northern ireland and the irish republic instead of using the backstop. first of all we hope that we can find a solution on that issue. secondly, regulatory alignment will be a key in this. it was not in the answer given by the british government. three, and a backstop is something that is a permanent system that is dead and that you don't use but that is why the reaction of why
the uk government, the backstop was in fact propose as a temporary system for one year. i have never seen a backstop that is used for one year. and then disappears. a backstop is fallback position that you have in your pocket and you hope that you have to never use it. that is a backstop in my opinion. that was not in the proposal of the uk government. grenfell residents have told mps that the royal borough of kensington and chelsea has lost trust and legitimacy. 0ne community activist said the council should be honest about his past activities. the council chief executive barry quirk who took up the post after the fire said he was focusing on compassion and empathy for senior staff, but that changing an organisation takes time. the local authority doesn't have any authority. if you see the meetings
they hold in public, you will understand what i am saying. they have lost trust and they have lost their legitimacy. the only way that could've been re—established was for the council to have been placed special measures. that did not take place. there is now this vast distrust between the community and the council that at best will take many many many many years to rebuild. he said the council opening statement to the public inquiry into the grenfell disaster had not been honest. it hasn't been honest about the little cabal of senior consulates and senior counsel officers from housing. they asset stripped our community, swept our public buildings,
disregard the people who live there, forced us from the land were living on because it was a gold mine. theyjust had to to marginalise the people living there. that is what was going on at the rbkc. that is why grenfell happened. and they tried to keep us safe in the building, and have their eye on the ball, grenfell could've been avoided. if they treated us with the respect we deserve, grenfell could've been avoided. he said grenfell residents deserve the truth and justice. rbkc, they need to speak with their lawyers and they need to come out with a different way of dealing with this problem. they need to be honest and they will know what was going on. barry quirk turned around and met him at grenfell united and said rbkc were a property developer masquerading as a local authority. think about that. they were property developers masquerading as local authority. 0ne resident said the community experienced years of disempowerment. if people who were delivering services and policies to us truly
believe that they wouldn't be allowed to look at us in that way, then they wouldn't. but it is because they have been under suffering the services and this sort of treatment for years and decades and and has been 0k. it was just the fact that this disaster happened that everything sort of blew up into the air and we could see it was like this is what has been happening. it cannot continue. next to give evidence was the royal borough of kensington and chelsea. it takes time to change organisations. i think the important thing is that a change of management, changing the management of the tmos as well the management with the whole of the council, hiring people on behaviour, competencies, not just on experience. but how do they treat people. focusing on compassion and empathy for senior staff. and we are also developing a major
culture change for the rest of the organisation. i feel we are the only public authority ever that is having to solve a problem that the people that suffer the problem believe that we created. i cannot think of any other. maybe christchurch in new zealand. that was a earthquake but the same because of civil engineering in two properties. that itself creates a fundamental issue of trust. this authority has been investigated for corporate manslaughter under and i think we are the only authority trying to solve problems under investigation. i think the way the survivors and bereaved have treated us as councillors has been nothing short of amazing. they have been generous in spirit. of actually even talking to us. if my child had died in a fire like that, would i be talking to council? probably not.
so, really they have been absolutely extraordinary. she said it would take a generation to regain the trust of the community. now let's go back to the eu withdrawal bill. government victory in the commons was not quite the end of the story. the bill still had to go back to the house of lords, for peers to have their say. i hope even the government will recognise the vital role laid on our lordships' house. and our detractors and parts of the press will realise that it is our role to ask the government and the comments —— commons to think again. the truth is that for those of us who favour a sensible brexit or a people vote, to allow the people to stop brexit, we have suffered an unmitigated defeat on this bill, my lords, victories are not made a public elected defeats. so we need to start winning soon or the country will lose very badly when the british people are forced into a hard brexit,
which makes everyone poorer. i think the scrutiny of your lordship's house has seen improvement to this bill. over 230 amendements have been made both houses and while there are a number of issues with the government do not agree, i am pleased that we been able to find solutions and compromises to most of the concerns raised. and the end of the debate peers backed down meaning to now finally cleared his passage through parliament, no doubt must‘ve of the relief ministers. that is all from me now to join that is all from me now tojoin me for another round—up of the day ‘s events at westminster tomorrow. good morning.
if it is rain you are after for the gardens you will not get it in this forecast. in fact we will not see rain to the next ten days. this was the story yesterday. a cloudy start but then the cloud broker allowing sunshine to come through and a scattering of showers to the north and west to a humid day and highs of 26 degrees in london where the sunshine finally put an appearance in. if it is too humid for you you will be pleased to hear it has eased away over the last few hours. the weather front has pushed through and introduced the north—westerly flow of fresh airfrom introduced the north—westerly flow of fresh air from a country. you noticed the distance from the word go this morning. will be a lot of dry weather in this story, a scattering of showers across the northern isles, a little fairweather cloud developing through the day. but that north—westerly breeze takes the edge off things, particularly in the edge off things, particularly in the finals of scotland. the top temperature will probably peak in the low to mid teens in the north,
high teens further south. we may just be 21 degrees in the south—east corner to the fresh feel but lots of dry and sunny weather. it is the summer dry and sunny weather. it is the summer solstice today and some of you could see nearly 19 hours of daylight. get out and enjoy it if you can. as we moved out of thursday we keep clear skies and the wind direction still coming from the north—west. a fresh night and more co mforta ble north—west. a fresh night and more comfortable night, try to get a good nights sleep. a cool night with single figures for pretty much all of those on friday morning. we begin again ona of those on friday morning. we begin again on a chilly node but a dry note. decent spells of sunshine coming through with a light wind on friday and with more sunshine coming, temperatures will pick up a little. 16— coming, temperatures will pick up a little. 16- 22 coming, temperatures will pick up a little. 16— 22 degrees the high. high pressure will build in from the west for the start of the weekend. it keeps things quiet. you can see it centred right across. and we sat
high moving in we lose that north—westerly flow and there will hardly be a breath of wind at the start of the weekend. dry for most of us, decent spells of sunshine and it will start to warm up. here is oui’ it will start to warm up. here is our forecast. as you it will start to warm up. here is ourforecast. as you can it will start to warm up. here is our forecast. as you can see, it will start to warm up. here is ourforecast. as you can see, still warm as we get into the middle of next week with the temperature possibly into the high 20s. welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. my name is mike embley. our top stories: amid mounting fury, president trump signs an executive order reversing the policy of separating migrant children from their parents. anybody with a heart will feel very strong about it. we don't like to see families separated. at the same time, we don't want people coming into our country ilegally. this takes care of the problem. migration is also a big issue in europe. we will be looking at how several countries are dealing with the crisis. the ayes to the right, 303.